I also find him vulgar and misogynistic, so I dont see him as ever having been qualified to start with. It is possible for somebody who has a cutting tongue and a big mouth to stop. Lindell doesnt have a real active blog, his third from last entry is titled: All the celebrity has to do is play the victim/repented card and teach cheap grace. If so associating with Driscoll they can get the thug part down. His Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills and Jesus never asked a single person for a single penny. Finding out who and what Robert Morris really is inherently taints many others on the religious and political right, thereby making me question all my prior values and decisions. I dont think he is qualified to lead any church or ministry of any size until he exhibits the fruit of the Spirit for a long, long time. Church buildings do not equal Jesus Christ. So, if he became a member of a church, attended that for a while, accepting to do all kinds of unglamorous jobs that church members often do for their church, apprenticed with a pastor in a mainline church, where the position of pastor has a lot less power, tried to reconcile with the people he treated the worst well, maybe. These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. Nancy What a waste of a ministry! no., to forgive them prepares you to see jesus. You might be interested in this post from this recent post at Stand Firm, an Anglican blog, regarding Hillsong. If the denominational system is rejected on doctrinal grounds, that only leaves the congregation. I believe these churches are using Driscoll as fallen pastor insurance. . . Who cares about that pesky truth so long as there are clean bathrooms, great hot coffee and rockin worship? Are you not voting for the candidates and issues Gateway told you to? Im really glad that you are reaching out to GW and other exiles. I cant see those photos without also thinking of the images weve all seen of the impossible circumstances our hospitals are battling every day, Goddard began in a series of tweets. I wouldnt want to walk in his shoes and succumb to the large amount of pride he exhibits, what an empty way to live. Yep. Dont you want to be a part of that? . Because cheap grace for Christians who are not decent people is all the rage now. forgiveness means its paid in full. His appeal, then and now, has much to do with his looks plus a perception of him being anti-establishment, which he was. Connect With Us! *carefully targeting pastors who want to build an empire of their own with an easy publicity stunt (although described Christian-like so it actually sounds noble, in both marketing and in the buying pastors self-talk), @ LT: This is what the giving unit is looking for, not God. Im honored that Marks here so I dont want anybody reading what Im saying as some kind of disclaimer or apology. One of six. They didnt fail. 15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land. (stephen the shepherd? its a little hard to swallow that he knew nothing about Driscolls behaviour. As Gram wrote above these are relationships (if you can call it that) built on trust. I strongly recommend the brief article by Jon Zens at Searching Together entitled Going to the Root Mark Driscoll and the Celebrity System. Im a done for now but that one meeting made we wonder if I could someday find a narrow gate church like the cult expert said. The James River Church Joplin Campus, located at 1850 S Maiden Ln, Joplin, MO 64801 now has a permanent location! I guess Calvinism for these guys means never having to take personal responsibility Thats certainly how Driscoll has handled things. Rejection by churches or others in christian authority has actually resulted in the Lord comforting and building me up (in spite of my flaws) instead of causing me to doubt my salvation, He has used these things to show me how much He loves me, personally. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. May the Lord bless our search for da truth, and grant us mucho wisdom. Vulgarity and filth get fed to us little by little until we hardly notice weve ignored those first red flags and become part and parcel of the heresy. He had no idea. And how many know you cant not everything you read on the internet is true, and so as a church I just I just know this, as a church we want to be careful that we dont ever put ourself in a situation where were shooting the wounded, and you know God has laid Mark and Grace upon Debbie and my heart repeatedly over the last several months. Forgive him? @ Nancy: He can be forgiven. Houston was saying in his statement he was only just now finding out about some of Mark Driscolls more controversial statements, and that is due to the media. We would love for you to join us for a service. Then I would take notice that there might be something to their repentance. Also, I received another great message from one of our Australia graduates thought this would bless you too Galatians 5:22-23. I used to buy into this,thinking it is such wisdom to see ourselves in the examples of scripture, until I realized that we never seem to see ourselves as the villain. Its all PR spin, because they got caught with their (or, pardon the metaphor, MDs) pants down. Is there a third way that I have overlooked? appeciate your posts and the others on this blog, i remember that, thanks Van, for the reminder. They wear what they believe are trendy shirts typically untucked to cover the middle aged spread with skinny jeans. It probably did. What is tragic is that these events will lead everyone who has two braincells to rub together to come to the following default conclusions: If there are reports of a scandal or problems at a church, they are true. Based on my experience, this public story should be seen as somewhat inevitable in how they operate. Well, we can handle the truth. Your facts are a bit off, beginning with the meaning of Che. I am no fan of his, but there are some big holes in your acvount of his life. Actually, I think the timing was just for that reason. This stuff was high on the why we are how we are list back in the day. We saw a good deal of quick forgiveness/cheap grace from defenders of TVC. I know people are tired of hearing these messages and having to be acting upon them, but the virus does not care that we are tired. 99,693 were here. Maybe Driscoll feels a notch above Paul since hes not called for any ones death? If I were Satan I would give the Wormwood who came up with that system a big raise (or give away their books so theyd get a fat royalty check ; ). I acknowledge that one persons terrorist can be another persons freedom fighter. Pastor daddy Mike Baker is furious and says he's been mistreated-"slander," etc. if your a sports fan theres a point of where something amazing is about to happenfootball baseball in the middle of a game changing moment they jump out of their seat. From my perspective, the problem with Driscolls repentance is the same as the problem with the Chandler apology. Sopy that young man is in jail, he didnt receive a huge sentence and is receiving a great outpouring of care and compassion from the community. GW youth group also adopted the whole Tribes deal directly from Hillsong, complete with competing tribes wearing war paint and carrying weapons. Driscoll does not meet the biblical qualifications to be a preacher. He repeated what he has said in the past: He believes if the issue is to be addressed it should be done at the federal level. Its just that it isnt what a NT pastor of a group of Christians should be doing. Are they the ones that keep praying for their leaders to be decent people who dont crave power and position? i have seen so much of what you wrote about to know that it is true, a big orchestrated show to fleece sheep and get fame. James River Church Online - James River TV What I didnt know until this year is how much they are invading their universities as well. as to revenue streams, Jesus paid His taxes with money a fish popped up with. Edit: Thank you to everyone who commented. If he is serious about ministry then he needs to stay away from those circumstances which enable him to get into trouble-money, power and the pulpit. He essentially called the Driscoll victims liars and persecutors. Thats why these massive megas arent likely to represent the narrow gate. Thank you again. If Mark Driscoll is going to wanna manipulate his 501(c)3 Church audience to give him a second chance, hes gonna havta try harder. With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. There seems to be a lot of the just finding out new information that everyone already knows about but which now changes everything affliction going around. well i cant finish watching the whole thing. And Ive certainly heard many tales of people who were awful people moving onto ministry later on in life. ( As with the dituation with John Mark mentioned in Acts, and the conflict with Peter mentioned in Galatians. His behaviour has been SO egregious, that I believe that he needs to stay out of anything that offers him a place of leadership or authority. But the attempt was cut short Sunday when Hillsong, one of the most influential international megachurches, cut him from the speaker list at its upcoming conferences in the United Kingdom and in Australia. He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. Ditto Bent Meyer who opposed the consolidation of powerful. The problem is that the average pew-sitter has no idea what things a leader should be judged by, and they merely judge based on either looks, speaking ability, or how fun the service is. http://www.smh.com.au/national/hillsong-conference-shows-interview-with-controversial-us-pastor-mark-driscoll-20150630-gi1y6d.html, As a follow-up (Sydney Morning Herald 1 July 2015), Hillsong conference shows interview with controversial US Pastor, Mark Driscoll. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. The world has a lot higher standards and integrity than the whole xtian celebrity machine put together, and the internet helps everyone to see that. I read your comment and have thought about this a lot. mode. Thats right, the head pastor no less! LOL! mark chose to step down not mark was removed. Hadnt considered that a pastor would brainwash to that length. If so associating with Driscoll they can get the thug part down. He told me he appreciated my column and my work at the News-Leader. Hasnt it been around long enough that either people (especially younger guys) are sick of it, or they have finally realized its harmful or obnoxious. Are we really talking about clerical influence/position/authority and money? James River Church is a multi-site church that exists to impact the lives of people through relevant teaching,. It so important, huh, that we share that Jesus came to save us from sin, and to give us His life. Then the authentic community unravels like a cheap Walmart sweater. Lydia wrote: was an attention getter. Mark is playing the victim. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i7lv9oMjv_0&sns=em. I would argue the reverse. All the more reason that Driscoll appears arrogant and pompous to me and doesnt at all seem to understand the damage hes caused. I would not say Driscoll was a jerk. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. So, basically he functioned as Howard Stern for Christians. People who are not religious, like me, are generally skeptical of religious institutions and their goals. a couple months ago a young under legal age man near where i live went to a party and drove home with other kids in the car and wrecked. Your comment is insightful and probably (for the AoG churches) right on the money. Christian County has unfortunately seen an overwhelming rise in COVID-19 cases over the past several weeks and a subsequent increase in the number of hospitalized residents. (See screen shot from the church website. The singles have a lot of money to be exploited as well, but churches are stuck in a rut of trying to fleece the married folks. Bob, I loved your comment. He had founded the church in 1996. Hmmm, trust the Spirit, and let them be killed like Ananias and Sapphira? Sorry, I dont know why I wrote that, Ive always thought of you as a him. Missouri church service Saturday evening. It was titled "A Biblical Look at Human Sexuality." It is identical to another certain entertainment industry where faking it means everything and in my opinion the industry representing the older profession is less offensive. Mark Driscoll, thepreacher who stepped down from his Seattle megachurch in October 2014after being accusedof plagiarism, bullying and an unhealthy ego has beentrying to returnto some kind of speaking tourat Christian conferences. Couldn't agree more! http://www.mercyministries.org/, though she scrubbed some posts referring to her involvement when it was hillsong ministries mercy ministries there are still a few unscrubs left here and there. I find it hard to believe he truly didnt know anything before last weekend! COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . It is definitely not where all leadership and vision is deferred to one man, and it is definitely not authoritarian. I did disagree, however, with this one sentence. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. Gr8 fun. COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . One of the men had been to a conference in Seattle and was just wowed by his missional approach. We have strongly encouraged masking and social distancing each and every weekend during this challenging season. I am haunted by that infamous message where he appeared to use a Bible passage to describe what was about to happen to two Mars Hill elders. Pouring? The sad part is that members have no idea how they are viewed unless they ask uncomfortable questions. Actually are pews still in general use? Not here to argue about this, just pointing it out. Considering the level of corruption I impute to mixing with Driscoll, Im not wondering much. where is Mark Driscolls apology to over a thousand children in two orphanages? He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. I will never forget the first time I was looking at an org chart of a mega while prepping to facilitate a planning session. Mark was talking about Mark. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. these were murders not trials. I will post about this. "Homosexual activity will lead to destruction. Is this similar to Radical Chic? . Did that get anywhere close to answering your question? James River Kids - YouTube Seems like the truth being covered, twisted, remade, ignored is what keeps these people in power and LTs post brings the truth as it actually is back to the forefront. Its much harder to leave that way. (KY3) - James River Church responded Monday to complaints after social media images show little social distancing and few masks at its Christmas celebrations. shuning is not always done professionally as in TVC but so often done whisperingly in churches but the effect is the same to the person shunned. There is no glorifying God in any of that.
